LR coyotes

[Prairie Ghost]

"when Randy hunted with me" LOL I like that one!

Seven to nine coyotes on stand wow that is a loaded area i would consider laying some equipment down and thinning some of the ones that have heard it all out. Coyotes don't become "call shy" near as easy and as often as people think that was something pushed by the industry more than anything else, helps to sell more calls.

If you are using different tactics and spots to call/sneak from you can work a coyotes many times depending on time of year and weather conditions.

6000 is a lot of money to spend on a rifle especially if your out recreational hunting and not tring to stop killing on livestock.

[Optimax90]

Prairie Ghost: Thats no BS either, last time I was there I seen five,(within one mile perimiter) They could all hear me, and one came within 450-500. Sat down and watched my area (I was consealed good, in a rock pile-came in in the dark and set up for the morning) now if he came from the back side winded me and then sat down where I picked him up (which was cross wind) I don't know. All I know I tried every call I had with me, and nothing. He layed down and curled up for a morning nap!! I slowly backed out and left him be, glassed it from a hill later that day (about 1.5 miles away ) and he was still napping! They got me pissed, and not sure how to fix it??

[lyonch]

Optimax you are simply not on location. Come in from another direction and try the same set up. There are too many people that will play a sound for 5 seconds when they see a coyote and if he doesn't respond jump to the next sound to see if that will trigger him. Sometimes you need to wait them out. If he is bedded why dont you put the wind in your face and start stalking him. You might be suprised how close you will get if your quiet. Patience and curiousity eventually should get to them.

[Dcoy]

Opti,
I have 3 suggestions that might work.
1.Switch from Optis to Evinrudes-my life got better when I did.
2.Accept my heartfelt,sincere offer to help.Feel free to send me the location.
3.Sneak in from a totally different direction and try to just snipe them.If no sighting,start a low level,plain mouse in distress for about 5 minutes.Wait 10,then try another 5 of mouse only.If nothing after 20 more minutes,consider going back to # 2.

[LeviM]

Dcoy~ LMFAO

lots of good points, I use to believe in "call shy coyotes too" I then learned patience and location. lyonch and Dcoy are right you might not be on the best location, come in different locations, different sounds you will be surprised. you might even need to come in at dark and get in on the location you know they are at.

[Optimax90]

I have 3 suggestions that might work.
1.Switch from Optis to Evinrudes-my life got better when I did.
2.Accept my heartfelt,sincere offer to help.Feel free to send me the location.
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Hey Decoy:
1. You couldn't pay me enough to run anything but Optimax!!
2. Would you prefer GPS numbers or just try to explain how to get there?

Thank guys, I'll try it all. (except switching motors) I use hand blown calls and always sit for at least 20-25minutes on stand. There is one other way in that would not be close to the roads, I'm trying that next! And now that I got a rangefinder, next time under 500yrds, I'm dailing him in!!

[Prairie Ghost]

Keep us posted and make sure to put up pictures.

[xdeano]

To poke a coyote at 500yds an beyond consistantly takes a lot of effort.

Some things that should be taken into account is:

Hand held Ballistics program - one that calculates off your temp, temp change, bullet, weight, humidity, dew pt., velocity changes, BC, wind direction and velocity, angles, elevation above sea level.

Range Finder - something that is accurate/consistent, leica, sworovski etc.

Anemomiter- something that'll tell you everything for your ballistics program. temp, humidity, dew pt, wind, altitude, etc. Kestrel is a good one, for those who want one for cheap get a Brunton Sherpa.

High dollar optics - something that has good glass, and turrets that are repeatable, typically scopes in the 1k and above range. Leupold, NightForce, IOR, USOptics, Schmidt and bender....

A rifle - something that will shoot around a half inch or less at 100yds consistently will do you. 1/2" at 100yds is 8" at 500yds. drop grow exponentially at a distance, it isn't a straight line. you'd better have something that'll shoot 1/3 or 1/4" groups at 100yds, to kill a coyote or fox at 500yds. Match grade stuff here, trued actions, match barrel, bedding job on the action, etc.

The bullet- you'd better get the highest bc bullet with the highest velocity that you can push through your gun to get it out there with the least drop you can. flat and fast and still retain enough energy to kill the coyote. So were talking match grade stuff here.

bipod - something that isn't wobbley. harris isn't bad but there are a few more out there that are better. heck a back pack with a bag on it does well.

Anti-canting bubble - to take the cant out of the scope. just a few degrees off and you'll be missing by a long ways.

Angle measuring tool - something that tells you the angle of which your shooting, so you can plug that into your ballistics program. up and down shots require less drop.

Chronograph - measuring the velocity of your bullets, get two chronographs so you can shoot through one 10ft off your barrel and for shooting through at 100yds to calculate what the actual BC of your bullets are that you're running instead of trusting the manufacture.

Trigger - having a trigger that breaks clean and a decent weight so you're not flinching when you pull. between 1lb and 2lbs.

I'm sure i'm missing something. Oh yeah a coyote standing really still while you do all this crap just waiting for you to pull the trigger.

Patients - lots of patients

Practice - even more than patients.

confidence in your equipment.

Consistency = accuracy

I know a few guys that have all the above and will kill a critter with it 9/10 times. A buddy of mine says that anything within 600yds is dead every time.

This game has just as much about your mindset as it does your equipment.

Any paper puncher that does matches will know how to read and call the wind to the point that is instinctive. some of your best practice is competition. It gets your heart rate up, so you're in the same state as if you were looking down on a coyote. 6K is a lot to spend on a rifle, a guy could set himself up with a rifle that is capable for 2K without optics.

I hope this helps.
xdeano

[Coyotehunter]

"Call shy" is kind of a dirty word around here. Lots of posts on the subject of coyotes on the site. You will find very little time devoted to "call shy" coyotes. I have called in the same coyote in the same day, same spot enough times that I just do not get surprised anymore when it happens. And not just with dogs, hell with dogs they rarely ever leave to even call back. You will find as your knowlege increases on "hunting coyotes" (not just running up on to a big hill and making a loud noise) you will adapt and still take these same coyotes that are giving you trouble now. Everyone wants to believe that they are a bad ass coyote killer but...........there is so much BS out there that the truth gets muddled over by magazines and video selling products and not knowledge. Be pactiente and take the time to try some of the things you will hear on this site. some great info here. One of the best learning experiences you will have is to pick one coyote that is giving you fits and just plan on getting getting him shot. One coyote at a time. track him, watch him with glasses, learn his habits and when you have him patterned go in and end it. New coyotes? that is just running around praying for a pup to run you over. If you want to get to the point that you can consistantly kill coyotes everytime you go out. You need to learn how to "hunt" a coyote.

[Dcoy]

Amen to the last 2 posts!
Xdeano now we are talking.Not looking at telephone poles and all sorts of 'guess' stuff.Really talking sniper stuff.All of which confirms to me its unnecessary and beyond the practical hunting ranges for the vast majority of us.You stated almost precisely what my former USMC sniper buddies say.Its a speciallty thing not suited for everyday hunting-something you do for its own sake if you're into it and of the ilk to sneak AWAY from coyotes that are too CLOSE to suit you.

[LeviM]

Good Post Jamie!

You nailed it on the head, with all the "experts" writting articals in magazines claiming they have it figured out with "call shy" coyotes! I will admit, up to a few years ago I believed in it too. I thought if I just went over the hill and layed on the call, and if no coyotes came in they must have heard that sound before. After talking with some of the guys from this site for a few years now, I started to learn a few things and some tricks. You have come to the right place to learn, you will learn more here reading posts then you will from any magazine or video they are selling now a days.

[Pilgrim]

xdeano seems to be familiar with what I summarized. Go to demigodllc.com for a description of the tactical long range competitions. Some decent articles and video links. Say what you must about long range rifle shooting, I'll marvel the pistol competency stuff.

Check out this quick video link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezjHpaqE ... re=related

[xdeano]

Pilgrim,
I've seen the videos a few times. I'm guessing they had ran that drill several times before they turned the camera on. The wind was 1mph, I wouldn't have even changed by center hold for that.

I honestly wouldn't advise a guy on shooting coyotes at long range unless you have no other route to go. Control work is a different critter all together, If you get a smart coyote, and he stalls out at 450, you'd better either wait him out, sneak in or out and if all else fails go with the shot. You'd be supprised what a bullet is capable of doing. I'd only advise it if you have the knowledge, if you're new, call it a day. There are a lot of variables.

call shy, ehhh bad word. Smarter yes, but you still have curiosity on your side, that's what will get them.
I'd agree Coyotehunter.

[Pilgrim]

xdeano

COuld have been one shot, more, maybe they were shooting into a junkyard... I meant to convey the equipment and the "ding".

[xdeano]

LoL, Junkyard!!!