LR coyotes

[Dcoy]

Anyone on here shot 10 or more coyotes and/or fox over 500 yds in their lifetime?Ifso,I'd like to talk to you about gear on my dime.Thanks.

[Pilgrim]

Call JP at JP Enterprises. He would know gear for sure, plus a couple coyote shooters who've done it. I know one bolt guy that I'm willing to believe has probably done it between 10 rounds and a full box.

[Dcoy]

BS.
I suppose I should explain the 'BS'.Not BS as to JP or to the fact that someone can do it/has done it.Hell I suspect I have over 50 years of shooting and cases of 'hail Marys' at distant fox and coyotes,I'm saying 'BS' to any 'hunter' that does it in 10 to 25 shots.I'm not talking target poppers that 'could',I'm talking hunters that do it.Damn few of them around and those are the guys I want to talk to.And,it has to do primarily with scopes(m dots? vs 'Plexes' vs...)and range finders(primarily usage not brand).
So again,anyone on here that has done it and is willing to chat,let me know.PM me or call me(605 486 4413 collect)if preferred.

[bucksnbears]

i have Decoy i'd say maybe 20-30. but everyone has been hail mary lucky ones i'd say last winter i took 6 coyotes over 500 yards with a 22-250 but they were ALL holdovers and no skill on my part. however i probably shot over 500 rounds last winter. my motto is if i see a coyote and there is no way to get closer, i'm shooting!!!!!. where i live it's VERY hard to get close to one undetected. took one on the dead quartering away run at a lasered 483. and one at a quartering run at 460???. one fox at 440 dead away run. ive hunted with some awesome target shooters that are terrible shots at game. i would be leary of someone saying they can do it on a consistant basis.

[Dcoy]

Amen Bucks.Like you,done it including a few fox runners at well over but they have been 'educated Kentucky windage'deals.On the other hand,and here's the guy(s)I'm looking for,there are some out there I'm told that 'hunt' and that pop a few a year based on either 'dialing in',mil dots,plexes,or some combo.Guys that are beyond hail marys but are hunters,not just poppers.Guys that in most circumstances won't even take those shots unless there's no reasonable alternative or time to make it work better or make it more certain.
Then(in capsule form here)I want to discuss their system.Speed?Ease of use?
Frankly under true hunting conditions everyone is engaged in 'educated guessing' based on range finder vagaries,wind,ammo loads(not BC or weight-just ammo load vagaries/inconsistencies-I'll stay away from the BC crap cause that leads to more fiction )Nevertheless,some 'guessing' systems or techniques are likely better for me and thats the info I'm after.

[lyonch]

I dont know if you know the show exists, but there is a show that i watch on the outdoor channel every chance i get called "The best of the west". Althoug they are taking shots at larger game, these guys make som awesome shots. The reason i watch the show is to watch how they position themselves when they shoot. I try to watch breathing technique and everything. You probably aready are aware of this and am looking for something different but i thought i would throw it out there Good luck with your research and if you learn a thing or two let me know so that i can drive out to SODAK country and B.S. over a beer or two and a coyote hunt with ya

[coyotelatrans]

In order to achieve this on a regular basis you need a few things. 1. You need to shoot at these distances and practice. Coyote silouttes at 200,300.400.500 and 600 yards. 2.Have a good scope "good" meaning many things to many people.3. Have target turrets on your scope. Practice with clicks and at the sillouetts mentioned. keep track of numbers of clicks. 4. A good solid rest system, harris bi bop and even a accu shot for even more stability. 5. Run your load over a chrono graph so you know the FPS of that bullet and run it through on of the programs. Compair that data to your "true" click data. Remember to test this when you do your hunting! If your using Ball powders they will change point of impact at 80 degrees versus 40 degrees! I use a .243 with H-4831SC it doesn't change much at all with temps due to the powder, so my click value is pretty much the same be it summer or fall. Mil dots are nice but remember they are setup for a specific power setting if you change that then you need to either do the math or shoot at the silouettes and record that info somewhere on that power setting that you would use most. Mine is set up at 12X if I go to max 15 which helps me see the coyote vitals better at extended ranges, I would need to record that info as setting of 15X. Or target turrets click value are the same no matter the power setting. Most coyotes at long ranges will offer you the time to "dial" him in. Keep a pocket card with drop/windage and clicks laminate it and you have a quick referance. Shoot in some cross winds and see again if your program matches true or not and record those differances. Practice,practice. You get better at things when you do 3 different things 1,000 times versus doing 1,000 different things 3 times!!!!!!!!!!!!

Target turrets will make life much easier, rectical preferance is up to you. Your still working with a 5-6" vital different than paper punching small ag groups at 600 yards. A good range finder will give you the exact distance, it won't help you with wind and wind angle. Shooting and recording will give you that. Most "plex" at 10 power will have a 10" spacing between the "thin" lines, your scope manufacture can better tell you the distance between that.


You need a gun that will print consistant groups. Hope so of this helps.

[bucksnbears]

good post coyotelantrans .i never new there was a difference in p.o.i.with ball powder with temp extremes till last winter. i did a test with my 22-250 with win.748 powder and there was quite a difference from warm cartridge to one at -20.

[Dcoy]

Good post indeed.The vagaries on powders is right on for sure-as are a number of other load issues such as brass consistency and on and on.Educated guessing is what it is all considered.Got a call that nailed my precise issue-which included info on the 'scope setting' being critical if using the 'plexes' which Coyotelatrans mentioned as well.(caller directed me to some comments by J Antonides in the VHM as well)Bottom line FOR ME is I'm likely to stay with 'plexes' and my Swaro range finder as long as I limit shots to 550 or a little more.The vagaries of range finders in terms of 25 yd or less 'dial points' or increments tells me I'm OK with the way I handle plexes and I'm quicker than 'dialing'.Beyond that,I'm convinced I'll have to 'dial' my guesses to make them 'educated' ones.
Chris,yeh I've watched that Show a few times Good Stuff.Of course no one hits all the time and god knows how many misses and crips aren't shown-particularly when they often hand a strange rifle/scope combo to a guy to shoot.
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[coyotelatrans]

I have learned alot by being around those that are better than me and keeping my ears open to what they have to say. I give alot of my "knowledge credit" to my peers and just putting in the time shooting and learning things when I can. Those peers some of them are very,very good shooters and a few are darn good long range guys. They have a lot of knowledge on this subject and one of them it consumes him and alot of his free time is spent in 600 and 1,000 yrd compeition. He is darn good at it to boot.

[Tim Anderson]

I have a taken couple doz. coyotes and some fox past the 400 yds mark with the farthest being a red fox taken at 767 yds...

[lyonch]

Chris,yeh I've watched that Show a few times Good Stuff.Of course no one hits all the time and god knows how many misses and crips aren't shown-particularly when they often hand a strange rifle/scope combo to a guy to shoot.
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You got it fella!! They also dial a lot. range the animal several times, have a bipod, and monopod on the back. they are always in a prime location/hill to have the perfect set up to take the shot. They have windmeter with them to judge wind. It just seems to perect too many times to me. They do shoot critters a long ways away so until i do that i can't judge them at all


TA if i were to ever take a shot at a fox at that distance i would have to say hail mary full of grace let my bullet be with me!! That is a long as ways away to kill a fox!!! I dont care how many 1,000 yard IBC shoots someone enters or is good at it; there is no way in hell a guy can always kill a fox at 700 plus yards on a conistent basis when each animal presents a different scenario. There is no bench and bags in the hunting world!!

[coyotelatrans]

NO bench or bags but they don't allow wind meters and wind is far more your enemy than bullet drop and these compeitions teach you how to read wind and mirage and when you get good at that and have a good bi pod 500-600 yard coyotes aren't so hard anymore, in fact to the guys that do both alot they become routine shots. I practice at my sliouttes with what I use in the field and the wind is where I practice with field equipment getting that down. Calm days no wind I have alot of confidance in those 500-600 yard shots doesn't mean I don't miss some,but much more when adding13- 17mph of wind and is it dead across or at 35 degrees to the coyote, what does that hill do to the wind at that distance versus where I'm laying?

Wind and terrian and wind angle is something that is far more a factor than the drop no doubt in my mind. Some reticles can compensate but we still need to have our best guess as to speed and angle and what effects terrain has on that wind. The real good comp guys and real good long range coyote shooters are guys that are very adapt at wind doping. WE could have a 3000.00 scope with the best reticle known to man but until someone gets the wind down well in hunting situations the 1 shot misses will come more often than the 1 shot hits.

[Tim Anderson]

One of the benifits of shooting at longer distances is alot of times the gun report or bullet strikeing the ground dose'nt spook the animal near as much as close range shooting.. This gives you a chance for a second or third shot... The fox i shot at 767 yds took 4 or 5 shots with my 22-250 ackley, i had the elavation close just had to make one more adjustment and i was in the game.. I also had to deal with the wind but i could see where my bullet was hitting so i kept adjusting untill i hit the fox. As for the coyotes some where taken on one shot some on two or more.. There is a scope out with a big square with 100 of little squares inside it for a reticle. You just have to shoot once and after that you know exactly how to aim for the killing shot, as long as you can see where bullet hit the ground. It can also be used with a rangeing system. If you know the exact range then you just pick out the square for that distance and shoot. The name of the scope is "Horus" something its kinda a neat system..

[Tim Anderson]

I forgot to add there are alot of tools a hunter can use to be more successfull at the longer ranges plus the hunter has to practice useing those tools and sharpening his shooting skills and to take the shots when ever he can, thats how you learn. Where i live and the guys i hunt with get more shots at coyotes than the avr. hunter, we hunt 6-7 days a week and most days we always have some shooting. I'm not claiming i or the members of the group get one shot kills everytime but we do get our share at the longer ranges and we could proably do alot better if we really got into it.LOL
I use a Kenton BDC dial and dial my shots in another guy uses hold over and another one has the leopold dots calabrated for his 243 ackley. The guy with the 243 ackley has taken a hand full at the 800 and some yard mark. He dose'nt do it everytime but he is consistant just like the rest in the group..