22-6mm

[Prairie Ghost]

I have mine zeroed at 200yds. I don't worry about dialing in until i get out to 350yds. I have a custom built elevation knob built by leupold that REALLY helps.

I shoot 4831SC 47.5 grains same bullet and case and primers. Chronoed at 3434 for an average.

6.5 x 284 is a really hot caliber right now due to the 1000yd guys really showing what it can do. Another one that is turning heads is the 6.5 x 47 Lapua. It all matters what you really like they are all really good calibers.

[jaybic]

Thank fellas,

PG, I have seen that the 6.5x284 is THE new 1000yard round but the reason that I mention the 6 x 284 is the .24 caliber rule at the Classic. The 6.5 is not allowed if I am correct in my understanding but that 6 x 284 would trump almost any other caliber in terms of putting a hung up coyote in range with minimal dinking around with hold overs...ect..ect.

I know bigger is not necessarily better and you guys know far better than I that EVERY advantage helps in tourny hunting. If I had a coyote hung up at 450 and was a front runner in the tournament and killing that coyote might decide between first and second place, I would sure rather have a great shooting 6 x 284 that a great shooting .223. Especially for those mild ND breezes like you had for last years NDCC. No, I didnt hunt it but I was out there hunting while it was going on and as you guys know, IT SUCKED something fierce!

I assume that the 6 x 284 is a NDCC legal caliber being a 24cal bullet right?

Thanks guys and if anyone has any 6 x 284 coyote load data, I would appreciate it. I dont own one yet but my buddy just got one and asked me for loads and I figured if any one knew, it would be here.

jaybic

[Pilgrim]

JBic

Here again, like Dusty's new caliber, you're dealing with an invention that uses greater case capacity to push the higher BC bullets faster. You need to shoot 85 grain plus bullets to make all that powder worthwhile. After a little discovery you should figure out that a 6-284 can't push the lighter 6mm bullets any faster than a .243 win. The bullets will only go so fast.

I have a very accurate .240W that will shoot the 87 grain Vmax over 3500 fps, which is a flat shooting, wind bucking proposition! Even so, I'd probably rather have anywhere between a .204 to .243 for a 450 yard shot, simply because they're all flat and fast enough. If you're looking for the ultimate long ranger (for coyotes), maybe look closer at the 22-6 that Dusty & PG are shooting.

[jaybic]

Pilgrim,

Good point! I have not really looked at the ballistics of a 22-6 VS a 6 x 284 VS a .243 VS my caliber of choice which is 22-250. I will run my Sierra Infinity when I get home but yer right, a little research is in order and I never even considered a 240 Weatherby.

I just chose 450 yards as an arbitrary number so I am not sure at what distance a 6 x 284 or even just a straight 6mm would have any advantage and where ever that is is probably much farther that I can hit at anyway. I am just kinda toying with the idea of the most laser-like rifle I can get in .24 cal so I am still with in tourny rules.

Funny thing tho, I would venture to guess(mistakenly perhaps) that a good shooting AR would win more contests than the most flat shooting high speed round because of the chance of killing more muliples coming in. Assuming that more that one coyote came in on a stand, and in either case a guy could nail the first one up close, I would think the extra firepower of an AR would likely produce a second or even third coyote on a more consistant basis that the long range rifle would kill way out there. I guess in rethinking my idea, it seems that more chances at close coyotes will be more succesful that a good chance at distant ones. I kinda have it in my head that the REAL succesful tourny hunters are the guys that get numbers of coyotes to come in on one stand and let none of them leave alive.

Whatchoo guys think?

Jaybic

[bucksnbears]

Pilgrim,

Good point! I have not really looked at the ballistics of a 22-6 VS a 6 x 284 VS a .243 VS my caliber of choice which is 22-250. I will run my Sierra Infinity when I get home but yer right, a little research is in order and I never even considered a 240 Weatherby.

I just chose 450 yards as an arbitrary number so I am not sure at what distance a 6 x 284 or even just a straight 6mm would have any advantage and where ever that is is probably much farther that I can hit at anyway. I am just kinda toying with the idea of the most laser-like rifle I can get in .24 cal so I am still with in tourny rules.

Funny thing tho, I would venture to guess(mistakenly perhaps) that a good shooting AR would win more contests than the most flat shooting high speed round because of the chance of killing more muliples coming in. Assuming that more that one coyote came in on a stand, and in either case a guy could nail the first one up close, I would think the extra firepower of an AR would likely produce a second or even third coyote on a more consistant basis that the long range rifle would kill way out there. I guess in rethinking my idea, it seems that more chances at close coyotes will be more succesful that a good chance at distant ones. I kinda have it in my head that the REAL succesful tourny hunters are the guys that get numbers of coyotes to come in on one stand and let none of them leave alive.

Whatchoo guys think?

Jaybic

jabic, about the ar thing i have thought those EXACT thoughts i always try to close the deal with the first round but i'd say i miss 25% of the time. with a bolt gun and 4 more rounds i have still "let" many dogs get away. the thought or an ar with quick and multiple back-up rounds sure sounds appealing and i suspect that in the future those shooting them will be winnuing the tourneys

[Prairie Ghost]

Good point the teams that CONSISTENTLY win ( Johnson Bro's, Heid Bro's, Schmid Bro's , Al morris ect) usually have multiple stands that they kill triples and doubles. Usually with a combo of shotgun and rifle kills. They have a system for handling the multiples and it works.

An AR wouldn't be a bad choice at all i would go with DPMS

[jaybic]

Right on,

I am not the only one that has pondered this it appears. I already have a DPMS for 7+ years now and I agree with you PG, no other brands for me. I have never killed a coyote with a shotgun but this year is my year I hope. The only double I have ever killed was killed when 4 came in and I got a textbook double and darn near got a third one and I could only see 200 yards. For that kind of tourny hunting, that kind of firepower HAS to be an advantage. I would think that the perfect team set up would be each guy having an AR in .243 and toting a shotgun. Firepower AND long range and handle the wind better with shotguns to handle the close stuff. If multiples come in or even one hangs up waaaayyy out there, your equiped for anything.

Funny, I have this wierd superstition or belief that some rifles are Natural Born Killers and some are not. I know that sounds strange but I have pretty much a "herd" of coyote rifles(6 I think) and all my "lucky" shots and longer shots have come with my AR which my buddies and I call the "coyote killer". I shoot at a coyote with it and it falls over dead, running, standing, 50 yards, 300 yards. I mean I do miss with it but just alot less is seems like. Then I take my nice custom .308 tack driver or one of my 22-250s and miss, misfire or some other way screw up and end up with no fur. I cant explain it but I just really think that some times a guy gets a rifle that for what ever reason is a "ringer". Maybe it just cause I use it more or I have more confidence in it or it happens to be the rifle I chose to carry to a particular stand but it even seems that when I carry it to a stand, I seem to have coyotes come in to that stand. Hell' maybe it smells like a dying rabbit but what ever it is, it just seems luckier than my other rifles. Who knows I guess?????

Anyway, enough rambling.

Anyone else got an opinion on this?

Jaybic

[Prairie Ghost]

You have more confidence with that rifle period. If you doubt the rifle you're in trouble. You have confidence in it so you carry it more which means that it has more successful stands than the rest.

[DustyC]

Heres one more for the 22-6mm. Really worked the dogs hard.

22-6mm-2.JPG

[Prairie Ghost]

Good work! Male or Female? I had a dog work the dogs this morning probably better than any coyote this year so far. Shot it at 15ft with the 204. Full story will be in Top Dog later today.

[DustyC]

Nice!!!!! Another dry female. My dosgs worked her in a circle twice around me at about 25-30 feet. I couldn't get her to stop and didn't have my shot gun. She finally walked off to about 50 yards and then I got her. The coyotes over here haven't been fighting very well until just recently.

[Coyotehunter]

same here, the calling has been pretty good the past 3 weeks.

[coyotelatrans]

I agree with pilgrim. Get yourself a .243 and use higher BC bullets in 90-100 grain if your worried about fur, a 95 grain nosler bal tip placed well works really well and kills them dead. Plus the fact when you add more speed and thin jacketed varmint type offerings and hit shoulders bad things will and do happen with those high fps. The reason I moved away from a 22-250 and into a .243 with hunting jacketd bullets on coyotes. To me a coyote isn't a varmint and "most" bullets offered are just that a varmint bullet in smaller chamberings.

I have a 26" remington heavy barrel rifle in .243 it prints tiny groups and I get 2930fps with H-4831sc and 95 nolser bal tips it will make those coyotes as dead as any wildcat in 6mm or smaller. Plus you have less work on reloads and great brass offerings to boot nolser and lapua.

I would like to see a factory hunting rifle in 6mmBR that would be great also for coyotes, brass is available, accuracy is awsome and FPS with heavier bullets while saving some powder to boot. That would be a great long range coyote caliber as well.

[bucksnbears]

Coyotehunter, P.G., and Dusty,, a few ???'s, P.G. you say you built yours on a 22-250 action??? so does that mean if i wanted to i could get a barrel in 22-6 and put it on my savage model 12 22-250??? also have you guys tried a stronger built bullet like a nosler partition or a seirra game king??? sieera makes a 65 grain gameking and nosler makes a 60 grain partition. just thinking these would be a fairly good fur round???any thoughts on this. also are you guys shooting 6mm brass or regular .243.

[Rich Cronk]

Nothing wrong with the .22-6mm, but I see no advantage with that caliber when compared to the standard 6mm Remington. My 26" barreled 6mm Remington shoots an 85 grain Speer spitzer boat tail at nearly same velocity as a .22-6mm shooting a 69 grainer. A heavier bullet with higher BC should in fact shoot flatter and deliver more energy to the coyote.