Sowhat does everyone think of the new WT "ATOM"?

[Tim Anderson]

But to say your above 2 state trappers is just ignorant

Sorry but i did'nt say that. youre reading skills need a little work as well..LOL

Here is a copy and paste of what i said:::They maybe above you but not me..

[Daryl]

You just said it again they may be above me but not you. Your saying they are not above you. What part of that am I missing.
OK I give you win... I remember an old saying that stated (never argue with an idiot because they will bring you down to there level and beat you with experiance.)

[Tim Anderson]

One more time. I said they are NOT ABOVE ME. I never said i was any better or worse, above or below.. Get it!

You know Daryl i come to this site to pick-up what info i can and to pass the time and maybe give a few pointers but if you are going to pop in every now and then with a chip on youre shoulder it may be of best interest to either P.M> me or just keep it to youre self..

[RandyRoede]

This is how every post started by a FP person about a WT starts and ends.

You lose any value or merit, and any useful information.

It seems some have an anger that blinds them from anything remotely constructive.

It's every forum wherever it starts.

There wasn't a FP anywhere near $700 bucks when they came out. Now they are one of, if not the highest priced caller out there. We are talking the Fury, 24 and Blaster.

Randy these last posts about avoidance and accustomed i just don't see here. They are still coming and still answering and i use very few sounds anymore. Sounds like you are seeing alot of it though.

My numbers are very consistant and in fact will be somewhat higher this year up about 50 coyotes from last year with the rifle and call. My chosen method. These numbers come from all times of the year except the Oct. Nov. when bird and deer season keep me out of a lot of places. A time when you could build up some numbers on YOY coyotes.

I do a lot of hours of locating long before light, some don't see the need, but I do. I discipline myself to hunting certain coyotes with certain winds in certain areas. I am always checking my area when traveling thru it. I pay my dues to get my coyotes!

I have run the contest schedule here in 2006 and 2007 winning the majority of the ones we entered, I had the pleasure of hunting the Classic last year and we placed 4th in that. Using a WT in everything.

I believe the real sounds and volume of a WT are the key, it is very hard for animals to become totally afraid of what they here out in the wild, not all of their experiences with these sounds are negative. I do think they are more apt to answer a real coyote howl or rabbit sream and come investigate vs a mouthcall. Realism and volume.

I do not see much value in the difference between you blowing a rabbit call vs. me, nor anyone else. then recording it on my caller. Let alone a howler.

I guess since we have districts that border each other and you seeing avoidance and accustomed coyotes we would have to see what one is doing different than the other. Honestly I do not see it. The majority of the time if I find coyotes locating i can call some of them in and get some killed. I can not call what isn't there. It improves my stand to kill ratio a lot.

There's been a few guys on here that have hunted with me to verify the method. No one does more locating. No one I know of.

Randy I know you have a dislike of Bill but it doesn't have to get to be a vendetta to prove something better. Let it go!!

I don't hate Mike Dillon or any other call maker, didn't care for how they copied a WT but whatever.

I think WT has the best sounds, with great volume, and an easy functioning remote, with great customer service. That's my opinion based on years of experience with them. Like I have stated before I hope what you choose works well for you.

I've got WT's all over this country, follow them year round along with FP, mouthcalls, decoy dogs, greyhounders etc.. You either learn to still get them in or stay home and complain about it. I luv lettin the air out of em.

Levi you are right it is beat to death and it is dead to me!!!

TA ,huh, your an ADC guy now, good luck with your new career. There go them Cheerios again!!

[Tim Anderson]

TA ,huh, your an ADC guy now, good luck with your new career.

Now where did i say that.???

[Prairie Ghost]

Well at least you guys are explaining your arguments a little better know.

TA you just don't learn do ya!!! I could call more coyotes then you in a new area with an empty beer can let alone all the fancy e-callers. Daryl has some to learn still like all of us but at least he is respectful when someone is willing to teach him something! How did your cheerios taste this morning?

[lyonch]

Randy Roede i really like the way you handled yourself throughout this entire topic!! It says a lot about you. Keep wacking and stacking if your method is working is all i can say

[Tim Anderson]

What i was trying to say is no one is any better than me as far as a human being goes..
I don't like to write long posts and by not doing so some of my posts may get misunder stood ..
Daryl may have been refering to you as a ADC man i was refering to you as just a man..
Something else needs to be cleared up and that is i am not a ADC man, i've never claimed to be one, and i don't do ADC work i just kill shit plain and simple.. As far as the title ADC or Mr. Coyote those are titles that where placed on me by someone else, If i've made either claim in one of my posts just point it out and i'll delete it..
Respect goes both ways from what i was taught. You show a person respect and in turn will get the same respect..


Thanks for the E-mail Randy R..

[coyotelatrans]

Randy R wrote: This is how every post started by a FP person about a WT starts and ends.

You lose any value or merit, and any useful information.

Randy not my intention at all wanted to have a dialog on callers and what people thought of this new invention.

I make No bones I have a thing for Bill as do many others, arrogance and the way he treats "some people" is not good business plain and simple. I don't need to feed his ego. Even you can't possibly say that the 3 way cobble hobble was worth the price can you? That unit gave me more troubles than any other by far. His business he can run it any way he wishes, doesn't mean I need to be a part of it. He makes a caller like the rest, I have not found it to be any better than the others, maybe some can say different, I truthfully can not. If it was the "Best" I would use it. I don't see any drop off from using something different.

Avoidance does take place, it seems the more sheepmen you have in area then the tolerance for "ANY" coyote is very low, some different from the cattlemen. Many will tolerate and even a few like to see/hear a few coyotes I don't know of any sheep guys that have a liking for coyotes, this means more pressure from all angles and more open opportunity for others. I tell those who ask where can I call coyotes to go to the cattlemen that is the strong hold, I sure wouldn't spend my time trapping for fur or a calling contest next to or on a sheepmens ground as the coyote densitys will be far lower, if not then I'm not doing my job and the phone will ring. Add in the Grand river grasslands and cattle and you have the perfect spots to call in plenty more coyotes than within 3 miles of "most" sheepmen. I also use other tools when the time is right to be as or more efficant, traps,snares are great tools at the proper times.

I agree locating coyotes helps alot sometimes a guy just don't have the time and then we must rely on our experiance to look at the terrain and where those coyotes "might"/ "should" be. It sure takes time to get to know those areas but the more time the better we all get at knwoing where those coyotes like to hang. Even WS has stated they haven't seen this many squirrly coyotes in the years they have hunted. Years of heavy plane use before my time has caused this issue as well. We had 3 coyotes spaced out a ways all 3 hit a hole before the plane could think about a pass. Comes back to the tolerance level of sheepmen it just isn't there. Probably won't ever be. So many welcome any and all coyote chasers making the pressure applied to the general area higher , meaning higher than my cattlemen.

I agree 100% no value with hand caller sounds on a machine, but why portray this with other makers when they have real live animal sounds? WT isn't the only one to have them ,sure other makers have recorded hand calls but they have real sounds as well and add to them all the time. FP will have more real coyote sounds comming out soon to go along with the 13 or so real coyote sounds they do have and many distress sounds which are 100% real as well. Not to mention in 24 bit. Volume is nice I agree but again test has proven that out, the WT isn't any louder than the compeitions when compairing the same units, and yes FP makes all 3 as well 10,15 and 30 watt Toa units.

FP has newer technology and tooling cost for newer cases that cost, so does advertising if you want to be the biggest then you need to advertise correct? They offer more choices than any other maker and have units in all price ranges. I'm not any part of what FP does as a business what so ever. If I like something I will share that with others.

RandyR I have nothin against your choices what so ever, I know you and a few others like the WT and if it gets the job done that is the bottom line, but it isn't the only thing that will get the job done. Alot of my posting has been good natured ribbing and some serious stuff mixed in, but everyone should use the tools that gives them the most confidance and best results. That goes for Tim too

[Prairie Ghost]

Well put i'm done with this issue i have a headache! use what you want.

I honestly don't believe if you shoot a 100 coyotes a year RandyR that if we made you use a FP next year (I want a picture of you with the FP) that you would shoot any less or vice versa with you coyotelatrans.

Thats it i'm done with this topic

[coyotelatrans]

well put PG I'm done to.

[bucksnbears]

Soooooooooo-------------- whats a better call guy's??? the f.p. or the w.t.???????????

[coyotelatrans]

Bucksnbears hasn't the last 6 pages shown you which is better

[bucksnbears]

i just bought a fury. good price to $441.00 with shipping

[Coyotehunter]

anyone want to buy a $10 used critter call??