FoxPro CS-24

[coyotelatrans]

Been testing a FoxPro CS-24 caller, I had this one built with the 15 watt Toa over the standard 10 watt. it has great volume, good sound clarity, and their sounds are good as well. I like this unit alot and that new remote they have is real nice No sound list to carry or look at it is all on the remote! Over all very happy with this unit, I think it is the best one they have built to date. In talking with some sound guys they said as long as the amp board is the same wattage doesn't matter if 10 W or 15 W volume max will be darn near the same, the larger bell will help with sound dispersion how much? Who knows? but thinking that that small compact 10 w unit would be nice on a shoulder strap for longer hikes! OVerall so far very happy with this E caller. Thought I would drop a line in case anyone was thinking of this unit.

[Daryl]

That thing looks just like a WT with a foxpro remote.

[coyotelatrans]

Yep and the remote is better than the WT IMO.

[RandyRoede]

Randy, what happened to the Big country?? Thought you were a Minaska guy?? Have you used the NEW WT remote?? Cmon you know ya want to be a WT guy!!!!

For those of you who don't know, Coyotelatrans is a fellow SD ADC guy out of Faith, working a big area now with a ton of sheep. Got his hands full, he'll be killin some coyotes. Good guy!!

That's going to cost ya buddy!!!!

[coyotelatrans]

I was a minaska guy LOL. I'm always looking to improve and while the minaska has called in a few coyotes over the last 3 years of using it, I'm really impressed with the CS-24. The thing I like about the remote is no list needed, no memory, both something the minaska and WT both need. If you add sounds which I like to do from time to time, they will be printed on the remote the way you word them on your C drive. A quick down load and your set. Say I want to change around those sounds in a different order? I can set them how I want on the 10 pre sets or I can change them up in any fashion on the remote at home quick and easy. I can scroll through the list or enter the 3 digit code. The sound clarity is right there with WT and better than the minaska on certain sounds at high volume No doubt. Back lit display and you can set it in a few different ways. You also can select volume say you want 2 step or 5 step or 8 step incraments per button push, no problem takes 5 seconds to switch it. A guy with a deci meter tested a handful of the most popular calls and this unit with the amp used in it produced the highest DB rating of any of those tested. He was impartial and the best I have seen yet on testing of this type, not to add a plug but this info is avilable at http://predatormonster.com/forum/viewto ... f=11&t=697. If that isn't a concern in your calling so be it, but I'm learning more about sounds and the such from people that have way more knoweldge than me for sure. Sounds, sound quaility, frequancy ranges and what ranges coyotes seem to like better are things that interest me.

The minaska is a good unit and has worked darn well with very little issues for me and for the remote it has busted through alot of thick cover with little problem. I like the gel cell alot and may in time switch this CS 24 over as well, but I'm impressed with battery life of the 10AA rechargeables for now. Overall so far I would rank this caller above the minaska BC and WT IMO because of this reason: a guy has an open system and open remote and better sound quaility at higher volume than the BC. Besides I like to be different and what group of trappers have ever agreed on matters like this? LOL. Calls,traps, and the best bait/lures have never been topics of agreement Thanks for the plug , though I liked being in the shadows now you ruined that .

[lyonch]

If you go to fox pros website and click on there custom shop they will will claim that the WT does not produce a true 24 bit sound. They claim that with the furry and the new call coyotelatrans purchased that they are able to produce these true 24 bit sounds. It stated that the WT is at 18 bits for clarity. I recently purchased the furry and the 24 bit sounds that i grabbed are by far more clear than the other sounds fox pro offers. Coyotelatrans the new remote that fox pro came out with is pretty nice. I dont know if you noticed but if you do any night hunting at all the numbers always stay light up at night. I also like the ability to pre program several sequences and keep them. I can't say they are hands down better because i have yet to hear a WT. This is just what i have noticed and gathered from researching and playing with mine.

[Dcoy]

I'm a WT guy but the remote(new and old)leaves a lot to be desired.

[RandyRoede]

Well I have had from the original WT to the latest and greatest, it has really improved along with any other similar electronic gadget from the same timeframes. The newest remote, the small square with no antenna works very well, I usually use only a few sounds so the numbers and memory are not an issue for me, seem to know them by heart. As for the tech talk I don't know what the hell they are talking about. Have not seen the new FP or heard it so can't say one way or the other. I doubt anything can take the beating I have given my WT's, they have broken and have been fixed but they get worked. Most stuff is from just day to day use, I would guess my one year of use is more than most will have in a lifetime. Calling locating not only coyotes, but coon, beaver, fox, and even muskrat. Staying in the truck all the time, bouncin around in 100 degree heat and minus 20 cold, 25,000 miles a year. I usually just let the WT sell itself, something it's good at!!

The new rechargeable AA's with the mobile charger are awful nice, you don't need to haul stuff in and out of the truck and won't leave anything at home. Takes about 10 minutes to recharge 4 and you need 10 to operate. They usually last all day if fully charged when starting. Weighs 2 and a half pounds I have mine on a sling with a tripod mounted on the base to keep it off the ground.

The new remote has excellent range like the first ones did. A feature when huntin those row crop fields I use regularly to get them out the crops into the open without me anywhere in sight. Oh there goes another secret!!! Better stop!!

It's just a tool, whatever one you pick. Only as good as the operator. We have a few of them collecting dust around Pierre here, guys thought they had the silver bullet and were going to fill up the truck, didn't happen. Very few use them to their true potential, most just scatch the surface.

Randy, maybe someday we'll have to meet in that Cherry Creek country and try that thing out?? I'd like to see it and hear it. I've been close workin some fall calvers.

[Dcoy]

Randy,
Couldn't agree more with you on everything but the remote.IMO even the new one is fragile and unreliable.

[Daryl]

I just waant to say that I have not put the miles on my WT that others on here have but mine has worked flawless. The only change that I see needed with the remote is they could add a spot for a lanyard. After my outing with Randy and looking at his WT i must say it looks like it was hit by a truck. I saw it and thought man I should have brought mine along but it never once skipped a beat. As far as 18bit, 24bit I really don't think the coyotes can tell the difference. or do we blow mouth calls in 24bit. All I am saying is the WT is loud, clear, and indistructable by the looks of Randy's. I have friends that own foxpros' and yes they work good just don't have the volume. Maybe this new CS-24 will. I also want to add that I remember awhile back a post on mouth calls how there were people saying that Les Johnson copied the critter call and Randy Anderson copied Dan Thompson well if you look at a WT then a Foxpro CS-24 it looks to me like the WT has been copied. Just my 2 cents.

[LeviM]

I agree with ya Daryl on the 18 bit to 24 bit, I dont think a coyote can tell the difference or will even care. Its all personal prefrence, I am a fox pro guy, Love there product. Light weight and easy to carry into the field. I havent had a chance to see or hear the WT, maybe I can check it out at the classic, if you guys dont mind showing me!

[Dcoy]

I don't want to belabor this issue cause I AM a die hard WT guy but,even with the new remote you can have issues if precautions aren't taken.Pop your battery cover off.Chances are your battery holder itself is 'loose'.(never seen one new or old that wasn't).I recommend 'anchoring' it by wedging something in the compartment that firmly anchors it w/out affecting wiring or performance.Use something that doesn't collect/retain moisture-I use packing bead chunks and trim to required size/form.They can be easily moved/repositioned after battery removal for charging if necessary.
Let it bounce around as is at your risk.Likely you'll have trouble and Bills solution for you will be 'resodder the connections'.Been there,done that,twice.Not a biggie,preventable,but a cause for swearing if it happens.Also its NOT something you'll likely notice when it happens the first time.
AND,I'm a fan of Bills cause he and his wife have always treated me right.I say this cause this isn't Coyotegods.com where you'll be reprimanded or banned for bringing 'Bill' up.

[coyotelatrans]

I could tell you stories of a different BIll M and his ego is larger than life LOL. I don't want to sidetrack in that realm though, leave it at some people like him and others don't.

Sound quailty in areas that are called heavy I beleive it does matter how much who knows, but the more clear and authentic the sound is, the better IMO. What I'm trying to achieve is to sound different than the others in every aspect sound selection, tone, etc,etc. That is what I think will bring in those that have been called a time or two, better than playing the same cadiance and pitch of others.

What WT used to have is a very exspensive product which limited the buyers, now he has dropped his prices to stay in competition and as more people buy the product those "Limited" sounds won't be so limited anymore and with the WT closed system you either keep plugging away with the same or buy 10 new sounds for 100.00.

An open system allows you many options mix and match sounds and more flexible. It would be easy for Ol Bill to offer an open system but then some may find out you don't need his sounds to call in and kill coyotes as much as some may want you to believe. It would hurt his sound sales but I think he would sell more units if he did so.

The CS-24 is a great unit plain and simple every bit in my mind as good as the WT. Plus the added features you get with the foxpro open system, better remote, more options on it and a 5 year warranty. Use what you think is best as that is why we have many different makers. Customer satisfaction and service is what will seperate them all!

Please note the DB testing done and that the CS-24 came in with a 105 DB at 33 feet and the WT 2030 MS 87 DB at 33 feet. The author will tell you tough to comapir exact sounds because of the closed system on the WT but even with that a sound change isn't going to get you from 87 to 105.DB and yes DB is only good without distortion but you don't have it with this CS-24 so all is good!

[RandyRoede]

Ha Ha, hey i finally found a picture of this thing. If this isn't a WT knockoff i don't know what is. Can't beat em join em i guess.

Wonder how this will play out. D coy like you i have had excellent service whenever i have sent my caller to Bill or Pat. I remember once I broke a wire on the power source and sent it in on Monday and got it back on Thursday, always been prompt and courteous. He won't tolerate ignorance or BS though, must be an east coast thing.

Daryl did you see where i drilled the hole in the bottom of the remote and put a lanyard on it. Otherwise you may leave it on the prairie like someone we both know!! You have the new one right?? No antenna?? Your right it could have a molded lanyard ring or something on it. As for being fragile that would not be a word i would use describing it, mine is beat on all the time and it's still kickin.

Randy the way it looks to me that you are a WT guy, it just has a Fox Pro sticker on it!!!

[RandyRoede]

Hey, what's the price of the CS24, I tried to find it on the FP website and couldn't??