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Hi, all.

After reading coyotehunter's thread entitled "Keeping Yourself Current with the Radical Treehunging Greenies" (http://www.coyotehunter.net/forums/view ... p?f=2&t=20) I was left with alot of questions about our sport. Coyotehunter cited a newspaper author who was critial of our practices and ethics. While I agree that these people can be frusterating, it seems we can't just write them off as completely nutty-- we need to have strong arguments to support our position. Though that critical newspaper author touched a nerve, he also brought up some valid points we need to address.

Like many of you, I suppose, I've always considered myself a bit of a tree-hugging-hunter (if that makes any sense). A conservationist sportsman. Because I love it so much, I want to protect it. I usually rationalize hunting by thinking/saying that, because I honor the animal with ethical shots and put the carcass to good use, its okay. For example, I think stalking and shooting a deer-- in many ways-- is more ethical than buying meat from a mega-farm. What about coyote hunting, though? To my knowledge, most of us don't eat coyotes. Don't get me wrong-- I think coyote hunting does make ethical sense. Otherwise I wouldn't do it.

This is a wonderful sport and its a much needed ecosystem management tool. I think the ethical argument for it needs to be fleshed out. In order to protect our sport, we need to have this discourse-- especially on a site like this that's visable to the world. I think we need a coyote hunter code of ethics or something (i.e. define ethcial shots, etc).

So why does the world need coyote hunting?
What makes it ethcial?
Are there any methods you think are unethical?

No we don't eat coyotes and i would highly recommend that you don't try however the fur trade is one of if not thee oldest industries in this country. It is also one of the renewable resources of this country that we must not take for granted.

Also coyote hunting in many places in the country helps some of the other agriculture industries we have here from Watermelon farms to cattle and sheep ranches to turkey and chicken farms.

I could type a disertation on this subject but just don't have the time. I would suggest you do a little research about some of the things that coyotes are capable of in areas of the country and some of the efforts and money that is invested in predator control and it will help you understand all of the "ethics" in coyote hunting.

So why does the world need coyote hunting?

It does'nt. Trappers, ADC men and fur hunters have been around a long time and help keep the numbers in check. Now we have the next genaration of hunters and all they want to do is kill stuff and take glory shots for the internet and care nothing about the resource.

What makes it ethcial

Good question, problem is every hunter looks at it differently and you won't have much luck getting all to agree on what is. Plus no matter what we think is right or wrong we as hunters have to stick together rather than devide up into seperate teams. I guess the best way to decide what is right or wrong is go by the laws of each state...

Ethical or not, im just excercising my right as a member of the race thats on the TOP of the food chain.

Yes, we dont eat coyotes. Ive seen LOTS of wild animals kill for just something to do, practice, fun, or sport if you will.

I utilize the animals I kill, plain and simple. The only thing I do not pick up are coyotes with severe mange. But if its just a little on the hocks/tail, or face, they still come home with me.

Im just doing my part managing a resource.

The ignorant fools that critisize hunting (no matter the species) are just that, IGNORANT fools that have NO COMPREHENSION of the big picture. Most of them grow up with asphalt under their feet their entire lives other than the four days a year they go on vacation hiking in the local national park. They dont know where their mcdonalds cheeseburger comes from, where their chicken nuggets from, where their bread and milk comes from, hell, i bet they dont know where their "organic" granola comes from. When you try to explain to them that hunters provide more of a service to wildlife through both dollars and services than their "organizations" ever will, they resort to name calling. They are the definition of ingnorance, their is no reasoning with them.

Prairie Ghost wrote:...I would suggest you do a little research about some of the things that coyotes are capable of in areas of the country and some of the efforts and money that is invested in predator control and it will help you understand all of the "ethics" in coyote hunting.

This discussion isn't for me. Its for the sport and the public that can see this forum. Obviously I know why I hunt and how I think its ethical.

I think the public has SOME good reason to hate our sport-- some idiots out there giving us a bad name.
Shooting from moving vehicles?
Shooting them and leaving the carcass?
Shooting 20-30 rounds rapid-fire at a single running coyote?
600 yard shots?

Do not get me wrong. I'm on this site for a reason-- I bleed coyote. There are some topics I get fired up about, though. I hate that some see our sport as ALL bad. And I hate that some of us see all coyote hunters as ALL good. There are some bad, unethical coyote hunters out there. As long as our sport condones every practice as ALL good just because it involved coyotes, I think we'll be seen as all bad. So I think its time we define what the sport defines ethical and not.

There will always be some dipshit out there that doesn't like what anyone does no matter what the topic is. Its a fact of life and everyone is going to just have accept it. There is nothing ethical about coyote hunting. I dont think farmer joe from down the road that is having 2-4 lambs killed every night going to come up to you and say i dont think you ethically killed that coyote, i am turning you in now!! they wouldn't care if you caught it alive and let the dogs tear it apart!! Those that make a bad rap for the sport hunters will pay for what they do sooner or later. Just ask the boys from wisconsin or the steele tournament suppose to be winners last year

I only take coyotes from land where the owner has identified them as a problem, but I believe we all have the right to hunt (for now).
I do my best to kill with the first shot, I don't let them suffer if I can help it, and I won't shoot from(or chase with) a vehicle.
We are the higher mammals, but a kill should be "clean" if possible.
That's how I justify my hunting, but I don't condemn others if they believe they are hunting rightously.
In the end we all have to live with our actions, but we should try to minimize the negative impact of our hunting.
The less attention we attract from people who don't understand that predator control can be necessary, the better.
Just my thoughts,
Carl

Quit being hippies and go do some killin. if it makes you feel any better about shootn one a couple times think about how slow they kill what they eat from the hind quarters to the front shoulders one mouthful at a time while bambi is layin there bawln the whole way until it finally goes to sleep in agony. and wakes up slippin out a little furry butt hole. HA HA GOD I HATE HIPPIES

devildogg wrote:Quit being hippies and go do some killin. if it makes you feel any better about shootn one a couple times think about how slow they kill what they eat from the hind quarters to the front shoulders one mouthful at a time while bambi is layin there bawln the whole way until it finally goes to sleep in agony. and wakes up slippin out a little furry butt hole. HA HA GOD I HATE HIPPIES

LMFAO

Straight to the point, thats the way I like it, way to draw a good mental image!!!

First, I'm the anti-hippie, I hate those granola munching loosers.
Second, I believe in trying to kill fast, that's just being a good hunter and that's how I was taught.
Third, I still freaking hate hippies!!!

so-what do you really think about hippies??? . i live in an area that has very limited cover, mostly just river bottoms. thats where the does drop their fawns. coyotes and fawns don't play well together. coyotes are showing up here in big ##s.i love to hunt them but i also want to keep there ##s down. i will shoot a coyote anytime i can for the good of the deer herd and the very limited upland and waterfowl that do call this land of plowed fields home.

Me i just hunt the coyotes for the fur and the enjoyment of hunting them. I don't have anything against them and it dose'nt bother me if they kill a few deer or chickens. LOL When i'm hunting them it don't matter if they are 300 yds out or 600 yds they are going to get a dose of Mr. A-max or Mr. Golds..LOL
I know farther west they are a problem for the ranchers and i will try to do my part and thin them out but the rest is up to the ADC trapper...

Great discussion, All angles covered. I have seen baby calves being ate while coming out of the cow from coyotes and golden eagles. I dont blame them, every thing needs to eat. That said, it doesn't bother me in the least to get in a high speed pick-up chace through a stubble field that ends in a shot gun kill out the window of a moving rig.It takes alot of talent too, Driver and shooter. Its really tough when your by yourself, and I'm a guy who wants nothing more than to call them in close and video the kill. It doesn't get any better. But when it comes to protecting your livelyhood ANYTHING GO'S. I'd throw grenades at them if I could. Just the same if I Knocked the guts out of one and he crippled off I have enough respect to find him and end it even if its not the prime fur time of year. Its the ethical thing to do right?

Well said EO.

EO caller wrote:it doesn't bother me in the least to get in a high speed pick-up chace through a stubble field that ends in a shot gun kill out the window of a moving rig. It takes alot of talent too, Driver and shooter. Its really tough when your by yourself... Its the ethical thing to do right?

Well, no. I guess I'll repeat what I said in the "wind" discussion awhile back (http://www.coyotehunter.net/forums/view ... ?f=4&t=876).

That's not hunting and it gives the sport a bad name. And you wonder why "tree-hugging greenies" think we're all a bunch of unethical hillbillies. Stop giving them ammo.

Its not really hunting-- How is that beating nature at its own game?