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Talk about a thinly veiled jab at guns that only tells half the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39762676/ns ... s-cnbc_tv/


In other news.....4,999,900 Remington model 700 rifles have performed without accident.

CNBC is one of the reasons i don't have cable TV or dish or satelite. That kind of garbage is things i don't need my kids watching. "Drive by Media" don't look into how many years the gun has been in service with the military and police and hunting community. Not doing the "whole" story is just their style!

PG you said it right on the target, "not the whole story"!!!! And the problem is there are so many water-heads out there that think if its on TV news it must be true Never blame the idiot that is pointing his/her gun at some one, whene it "happens" to go off!!! No one will take responsiblity for there actions anymore, "it was the gun that just went off, had nothing to do with the fact I was miss handeling it"....

what ever happened to pointing the gun in a safe direction at all times What a crock of shit once again

Maybe this will help:

I've been familiar with this 700 trigger 'occurance' for at least 10 years and remember the mother shooting the son event in Montana... At the time I settled on thinking she (and others) unwittingly touched the trigger. Maybe she did - I wasn't there. Unfortunate/ horrible to imagine, anyway.

About 8 years ago and prior to knowing what I know now about D-I-Y trigger work I experienced the same with a 2506 I owned at the time. I was heading out to hunt deer and while casing my rifle I cycled the bolt and pushed the safety off. While doing so the trigger collapsed. I couldn't believe it (denial? subjective bias? right, BBJ?) so repeated, and happened again, and again... Pushing the safety forward caused the pin to fire without touching. At the moment I felt something like the Harrison Ford character in "Presumed Innocent" upon discovering the bloodied hammer in his toolshed.

I remember contacting Remington and they immediately encouraged that I return the rifle for repair, mailed me a shipping label... Had it all corrected and returned to me within 3 days.

Because I was curious, I began to explore the history of the failing safety and learned that all episodes (court) at the time were ruled to be caused by triggers that were manipulated after purchase, including the Montana tragedy. By the way, my particular 2506 trigger had been adjusted by a gunsmith at the time I bought the rifle.

I've since learned that messing with the sear engagement adjustment without knowledge of its purpose is idiotic (and hardly necessary). I also found that any trained/ experienced gunsmith familiar with 700 triggers appreciates the delicacy related to altering the sear, and widely published in gunsmith manuals for decades that manipulating the factory set sear position can cause the safety removal or bolt closing to drop the hammer, so to speak. I'm familiar to where I can adjust/cause any 700 trigger to do the same in 30 seconds or less.

What's essentially lacking in the article is that Remington does not deny that it can occur. The Remington position is leave the sear adjustment alone. This can happen to anyone that ignores the signposts! Opti covered the muzzle pointing consequences while my experience affirms how it can happen to a know-it-all. Also, re-think when around your buddies that do their own trigger work.

Oh, ... Every rifle trigger make I've owned or have tinkered with will 'drop the hammer' upon safety movement (if/when adjusted out-of-sync). Certainly not isolated to Remington.

Good post Pilgrim, I agree 100% be very careful doing your own gunwork, and do not trust 100% that a gunsmith's work is gauranteed. A hunter has to take responsibility of were the muzzle of the gun is pointed at all times, just for instances like described in Pilgrim's post

I agree too pilgrim.

In fact, I believe it says right in the owners manual for the 700 that screwing with the trigger voids the warranty.

If you dont know what your doing when it comes to the inner workings of a firearm, you should'nt go fiddling around. If you do go fiddling around without the proper knowledge (or have the hindsight to learn to do it properly), than you have nobody to blame but yourself.

As for the woman in MT, sad, but had she been practicing the "cardinal rule" of firearms safety, her son would still be alive, "accidental discharge" or not.

I watched CNBC last night to catch this story, I only made it 30 seconds and HAD to change the channel. I had to listen to Rush today to counteract the crap my eyes/ears went through in that 30 seconds!

My wife and I had an umm "discussion" about this after she saw it......I will say this yet again...(I can make any gun behave like this, its not that tough to screw up a trigger, and yes, maybe some of the guns do have an issue, but fact is you cant shoot and hurt/kill someone if the gun isn't pointed at them in the first place".

I do agree that if Remington knew about the issue all this time and did absolutely nothing it is their bad for putting out potentially flawed/unsafe guns, however the very first thing I was ever taught about guns was that the muzzle doesn't get pointed at anything I don't intend to kill, period! To quote a CCW instructer I had, "there is no such thing as an accidental shooting, only an unintentional discharge".

Ok, ranting over (sorry, still worked up over the looooooong debate with my wife)....as a side note, I am not a Remington hater and I own and use 2 700's, one with the old trigger and one with the new X mark trigger, and will probably never get rid of either one, however if either ever exhibit this problem the trigger will be fixed or all out replaced, which is what any responsible gun user would do.

I have dishnet so I can watch FOX news, only good news station out there. Haven't watched the regular liberal tv shows for 2 yrs, can't stand the liberl socialist garbage they are pushing on people.

What do or would you expect from most of the major news channels, that are controled by and told what to put out, by the Government and Anti-gun people.
For over 20 years I held a NRA Police Firearms Instructor certificate and also Ca Hunter Safety Instructor certificate, teaching fellow law-enforcement officers and people needing to have the hunter safety certificate. One cardial rule was always know where your weapon is pointed, never put you finger on the trigger till you are ready to fire and never trust the safety device, if the weapon had one. I believe all firearm makers also put into their safety booklets, to not trust the safety feature. So when something like the lady shooting and killer own child occurs, the fault is with the person holding that weapon and a simple act of carelessness that resulted in a death, that would have never occured, if just one thing had been done, watch where that weapon/barrel is pointing. I feel sorry for her, but it is all her fault and not the company or weapon, it was just the tool she used in a improper and unsafe manner. Bill K