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Yeah, I'm hoping to generat a little more interest and get some good solid commitments before the big meeting in Dec. I did learn that the money was put out there to basically advertise the pred board I guess I still have hope to shut it down but at least I can get a little more money doing some control work next year. I was also wondering if the G-Men working in Wy could tell me if they have ever had anyone ask for there pred board money back after they sell there livestock? I need to update my photos of my 2 nw Curs. I got one from Fryes in California this summer(male) and a cute little female from Mel.

Save the dogs for the tournaments.....LOL....I think they are opening a can of worms with this $100 bounty guys where i work are already talking about firing up there sleds and running them and that just pisses me off. I could see if it was like WY. or MT. where there is an abundace of sheep or something but not ND this is farm ground and cattle country. I was born and raised on a ranch, we ran about 400 head and my uncles atleast equal and in prime coyote country and dont ever remember my uncles or parents ever complaining about losing calfs to coyotes. They might come in and snatch some afterbirth but thats about it. Most of the places that have the problems is the ones that dont hunt themselfs, just shoot at them when they see one, or just dont let anyone hunt deer or anything else period.(granted most ranchers will let you hunt coyotes..most..) my two cents...........

I think I have to disagree. For one thing, I live and run cows in cattle country.(600 hd year round and I take in another 900 hd of pasture cows in the summer) We don't have many sheep where I'm from. People think that just because a new born calf doesn't have teeth marks on it that a coyote wasn't the cause of death. How many times have you ridden up on a cow with a dead calf in -0 or below weather to see a big tromped out circle in the snow around the dead calf with a couple sets of coyote tracks hangin aways back? Granted the coyote didn't attack it but it still bugged the cow to where she couldn't take care of her calf trying to keep the coyote back. Still pred. damage! I myself grew up in this business and I don't see how a bounty of $10000 at $25 A COYOTE (400 COYOTES) in as big of a county that we are in is going to do anything for damage control. Especially if they put the bounty on in the winter during fur season. Money designated for predator control should be left to the pros not some weekend caller that is going to do it anyways and has no stake in it on the financial side. Learning first hand over the past 2 years I see how a bounty system is a complete waste of funds and completely irresponsible!!!!!! I will say that coyotes do have less of an impact on cattle operations and a lot more claims go unreported. I myself believe that proper control methods are needed. Not some fund to make a predator board more visible to the public to justify there worth! My 2 cents!!!!!!(probably only worth 1 cent )

Completly agree with Dusty. Done the same kind of work all my life(not that many numbers although)and its unreal the pressure even one coyote can put on a cow trying to calve. They will circle and stomp on the calf just out of confusion. I've seen coyotes trying to drag a calf away and the cow standing on it so they couldn't move it. It was already dead at this point but just the same its pretty maddening to see that happening. The last thing you want to see is money going to some weekend lead flinger that killed a coyote two counties away and gave it to a buddy to who lives in the county to get the money.Because thats what really happens. Let it go to the people that will actually take care of the problem at the source.

I don't think its going to solve anything, but if they are going to do it I don't see nothing wrong with giveing a little cash to some of the guys that like to hunt them everyday.. Its also a good way to get some money moveing around the state.. Gas, ammo, munchies, perhaps a new rifle to replace the old one or some tires for the hunting rigg..

I guess my point is lost. I'll try to explain iit better. I am lookng for a return on my investment. The sportsman in this county don't pay a thing to the pred board. I DO!!!!! I don't want my money thrown away when it could be used for something productive. I don't think anyone likes to see there money wasted. A bounty is not productive!!!!!! It's just propaganda!!!!!

If the state is just looking to thin the heard it would be cheaper to let the avr. Joe go out and kill them than to hire a state trapper. The state dose'nt have to pay the week-end hunter for a vehicle or gas or a salory other than the bounty. More bang for the buck and they get there quota..
Now if its a ranch with coyote problems then yes leave that job to the trappers, but most of them should be in place already and the funding is there.
If there is a surplus what better way to get some of the numbers knocked down...
As I understand it state trappers are restricted to just the ranches with problems, so how is more money going to make there job any easier or make the problems go away. Its not!!!!
To my understanding coyotes move in to these problem ranches from other ranches that don't have a state trapper but do allow others to hunt or call coyotes on there ranch. So give them a little incentive to keep comeing out and after them..
From reading some of the posts on contests held in N.D. it sounds like you have alot of coyotes around and I don't believe the state trappers can cleanup this problem without the help of others or haveing to spend more money that the state or ranchers don't have...
Yes it can bring out the worst in some, but thats what the CO's are for and also the responsabilty of hunters that do play by the rules.. See a violation turn them in....

Our trappers aren't restricted to just ranches with problems. Our guys actually take a proactive stance and do some preventative work. Wheres the average joe coyote hunter in the spring/summer when I need coyotes killed? They are just like you, out fishing or taking pictures of wildlife. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing but it's not helping me out. During the fur season it would be crazy to have a bounty anyway.
400 coyotes is not what I would call thinning the herd! Especially when the people that are cheating the system are killing probably 10% of those outside of our county. Your statement sounded just like everyone else in this area that wants something for nothing!!!! Why should I have to supply the ground, and pay you to kill coyotes when I all ready pay 2 guys that are perfectly capable and do a good job but there hands are tied on certain things that this money could solve.
If nothing else, that excess money should be used to hire a guy in the spring and summer like we've stated before on this thread. When the bounty does star, I am going to hit it as hard as I can so the money will run out quicker. Obviously Tim, we do have the extra money or we couldn't have the bounty now could we?

Not sure I'm following you... Where would this money be used, and where would the extra trappers be trapping or working coyotes. Public land, private????????

the money could be used in a variety os ways. Another part time trapper to reach the farthest corners of our county, more air time(wisest decision) more equipment, the list goes on and on. They would be working both private and public land.

Hopefully I can add my two fake copper cents worth without offending anyone, as I am not very good at putting my thoughts to paper,which is why I read alot here without posting much. First off I am not against a bounty but I also think it does nothing to reduce overall coyote population, but it does make an effective stimulus program . I also know that while coyotes do take a toll on calf and fawn production they also are blamed for just as many that they had nothing to do with other than finding an easy meal, (stillborn or died for whatever reason) and leaving there tracks behind. As for cows protecting there calf yes I agree they will kill there own calf while protecting it but I have also seen a cow protect a calf for quite awhile when it was born dead, I only say this to show sometimes we don't see the whole story from the tracks that we see, not to say it never happens.
As far as the bounty, some people will always cheat or be unethical whether it is five dollars or five hundred. I am just curious if anyone would think it better or worse if instead of a bounty a few coyotes were tagged with small tags and a money value put on the tags then you would have the incetive of a bounty without breaking the bank to leave some money for the proffesionals. Maybe just do the tagging in problem areas to put the extra pressure where it needs it. I know I personaly would try a little harder if I knew there was a thousand dollar coyote walking around the area I was hunting,,, well probably not possible but it might give me the extra push I need to make it to the top of one more hill.

crtrgtr223 wrote:Hopefully I can add my two fake copper cents worth without offending anyone, as I am not very good at putting my thoughts to paper,which is why I read alot here without posting much. First off I am not against a bounty but I also think it does nothing to reduce overall coyote population, but it does make an effective stimulus program . I also know that while coyotes do take a toll on calf and fawn production they also are blamed for just as many that they had nothing to do with other than finding an easy meal, (stillborn or died for whatever reason) and leaving there tracks behind. As for cows protecting there calf yes I agree they will kill there own calf while protecting it but I have also seen a cow protect a calf for quite awhile when it was born dead, I only say this to show sometimes we don't see the whole story from the tracks that we see, not to say it never happens.
As far as the bounty, some people will always cheat or be unethical whether it is five dollars or five hundred. I am just curious if anyone would think it better or worse if instead of a bounty a few coyotes were tagged with small tags and a money value put on the tags then you would have the incetive of a bounty without breaking the bank to leave some money for the proffesionals. Maybe just do the tagging in problem areas to put the extra pressure where it needs it. I know I personaly would try a little harder if I knew there was a thousand dollar coyote walking around the area I was hunting,,, well probably not possible but it might give me the extra push I need to make it to the top of one more hill.

The bountys and trappers arent out there to win a contest, they are trying to reduce the population. Live trapping, tagging and releasing coyotes sounds absolutely ridiculous within this conversation/topic.......

Ok, not trying to be a smart ass but i get tired of hearing about the average joes... i hunt alot of coyotes and alot of tournaments and the average joe has to start somewhere sounds like we are all born pros common you guys. Im not saying its ok to throw the fox pro on the hood and sit and wait thats just stupid, those guys are just lazy. alot of average joes are starting out like all of us trying to learn and make mistakes and learn from them, so if we are all pros why is there a coyote problem? why are you lossing calfs?.etc........this bounty is a joke...i hope i never afended anyone dont want to piss off anyone cause i know most of you guys..

I agree with crtrgtr223 100% good post exactley what i was trying to get across..

i'm sorry about the average joe comment. I'll clarify by saying it's not offensive in anyway, HELL I'm one too. I just meant the people that aren't employed to do control work. Not that the average joe is a rookie or a beginner or anything of the sort. I don't want this thread to be about anything but opinions on bounties.
That being said, i feel its kinda like going to your favorite steak house and ordering a rib steak and they bring you a hamburger. YOUR NOT GETTING WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!!!!!!! It's not my job as a cattle producer to provide coyote hunters with gas money and new tires! I don't ask them to fuel up a cattle pot when I ship my calves and yearlings. I could have kept my mouth shut and claimed the bounty plus the price of the fur I put up and made some pretty good money but thats not fair to all of the producers in our county. I have pissed alot of my fellow coyote hunters off trying to shut this bounty down but do you know what, it didn't stop them from calling any less when we made it into a spring and summer deal. All of them are still my friends and we still go calling. After you explain it to them from a producers economic side they understand. This economy is to tight to throw away 10 grand for propaganda!!!!!!!!