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Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:27 am
by Jerry Hunsley
Your right Thrush. I can remember the first call I ever used for coyotes and that was a little brown call made by Murray Burnham and it was a closed reed. Shortly after that I used a Olt #2 regular duck call and I used that many years. You would just pull it apart and use just the open reed part. It had a real low gravelly sound and it worked really great. There was only a handful of callers around my area. One of the noted callers was Bob Henderson and he worked for the State. He is still alive and I think he lives in Kansas. He was a very knowledgeable guy on coyotes. He has written a lot of articles on trapping and calling coyotes. He could make a call sing. I just remembered another old timer that made cowhorn howlers. His name was Herb Brushman. His howlers were called "Herb's Howlers". I imagine they are collectors item now. Whether you pay high bucks or go the other route, it's still the guy behind the call that makes it sing. It's just like golfing. You can buy all the expensive drivers in golf, and it's still the guy behind the club that makes the difference.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:51 am
by Coyotehunter
Yeah, I have always heard he is a nice guy. It is just that there are so many guys out there now trying to get into the sport and are overwhelmed with all the products that are offered to them. The thing that they can not put in a can and sell is experience. I think my calling, trapping, snaring and denning success are all from 3 decades of hunting. Not a $30 dollar call, decoy, camo............It is knowing where to go and how to get there. I think these new guys often get miss led thinking that they can buy success by just going out and getting equipment. To many companies selling the "special" wiget to get it done. I am not trying to offend anyone, but to me the notion that a new guy will call in more coyotes with one call over another...........well, I have just heard that clain to many times. Randy if he had not given you that call, how much of hurry would you have been to go out and drop $90 on 3 calls? That was my main point to begin with. I am not trying to attack Les, or his credentials. I just think $30 for a call is way to much. I about fell over when he sent that price to me and I gave him some sh*t about it. He really did not take it very well.

I just do not see those calls selling much do to the price is all and that new guys need to spend there time in the field and not money in the store to be successful.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:50 am
by lyonch
There is some great views coming out in this discussion. I pretty much agree with everybody in the fact that what they say is from there experience. Everyone has the right to there own opinion. I personally feel that experience in the field and confidence in the call being used is all a guy really needs. If its a $100 call and gives you confidence that you will kill more coyotes than so be it. if i had the opportunity to have les's credentials and have the ability to hunt everyday and gain experience that would be a dream so my hats off to him for doing that. On the other note i dont see where money invested into a call is going to make or break a guy on a given day.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:18 am
by LeviM
Great points by everyone. I agree I don't think anyone ment to put Les Johnson on a pedestal. I admire the guy for his accomplishments in tournament hunting, If I can accomplish half of what Les did I would die a very happy man. I agree his calls are alittle expensive, I personally can see myself buying a $30 call but someone else might, and the call might work great for them, and if it works for them and they call in coyotes with it, then the call did its job. Jamie your right, a call is a small part of coyote hunting success, I will quote you "Location, Location, Location" If you have good location, you should be able to call a coyote in with a beer can

Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:56 am
by Prairie Ghost
Jerry look at the latest Predator Extreme Herb has a advertisement for his howlers in there.
Calls don't make the difference whatever is easiest for you to blow is the call you should be using. The sound is different with everyone that blows it. NO call on the market makes a special deadly sound over the next one period. I use to be the guy that bought every new call on the market until it seemed that my success didn't change at all with any of them.
Les will be the first one to tell you that it's not the sound but the location. He has done well at tournaments because most of the time he is the most prepared contestent. I've shared many beers at Nationals with Les he is a real down to earth guy and is just taking advantage of his success to put some money in his pockets like we all would.
An open reed call is a open reed call for the most part
Randy i'm happy to see that the call worked well for you but i can't see any call putting more fur on the stretcher for a begginner unless it's a electronic call if they are still learning the basics.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:54 pm
by RandyRoede
Brad do you have some calls that blow easier than others and are easier to make the sounds you like? Do you have some you took out of the package and never used again. I do.
My point from the very begining is that these calls are easy to use, sounds
good, wide range of sounds from one call.
It's one of the few calls that is that versatile.
In my opinion I do believe it would be a call a beginer to novice could easily use and benefit from. I guess until you get one it's all speculation.
Jamie, I would buy them, is there a problem that I didn't have to? I've got a basement wall covered with calls, with more in the cabinet drawers. I've got three sons who all have numerous calls. Some boughten some given and some handed down thru the generations. Each one has his favorites which they have chosen out of my stash, some are old, some are new, some are cheap,and some are expensive, from custom calls made out of exotic horn to Steve T's made out of good old PVC pipe.
Would your opinion be different if you did sell them here?
Brad and Jamie since you have not even blown these calls isn't it a little premature to judge them, or the people who have and do like them. Seems to be alot of good feedback from these calls from other callers also.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:47 pm
by Tbush
I might have to go buy one of these calls and see for myself...
confidence in the call your blowing is a big part in the whole game

also I think thats what we are all saying in someway, shape or form... somedays for me (well most) its turn ON the call

Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:09 pm
by Coyotehunter
Coyotehunter wrote:I was going to sell them on the site until he quoted me the price...a little on the spendy side. I don't seem to get a lot of interest for $30 dollar calls but I am sure they work. You can't beat free though. He won all those tournaments with a $10 CritR-call and now uses his name to sell a $30 open reed call. All the power to him, you got to make the money while you can. Randy Anderson did the same thing, gets famous with a $12 call then gets his own line of calls and sells them for $20 something a piece. The whole time going on like he invented howling. Don't get me wrong, I guess if I could slap my name on a piece of plastic and sell it for 300% profit I probably would.
Randy:
Sure is alot of conversation over a call, I just think $30 is to much money. Yes it would make a difference if I was selling them but I am not because they cost to much money. I have no problem that you got them free, if he wanted to give me one I would take it just like the box full of other free calls that I have gotten over the years. You met the guy once and he gave you a call, you post a testimonial on how great the call is and I said it was to spendy. Get over it. Really, good grief.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:52 pm
by RandyRoede
Yes, good grief, would sum it up!! LOL
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:42 pm
by Tim Anderson
Like i said in one of my posts i got to meet Les J. in person . Les walked up to me in a crowd of 30 people or so and interduced himself to me. Real nice guy and i enjoyed talking with him.
Les just so happen gave me a set of calls also and a little bonus. Les threw in a T-shirt also. Les said to try the calls out and if i did'nt like them then don't use them, no big deal.. I liked that comment!
I also took my calls out the next day before i headed home, i made 5 stands and called in 8 coyotes total.
Could i have called in those coyotes with another call? I think so...
Like others i have a wall full of calls, some are ok, some junk, and some are really good.. I think Les J. calls are good calls and if i had to i would of paid the 30.00 the day i got them..
There just another good product out there for the hunter, nothing more nothing less..
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:44 pm
by Tbush
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:44 am
by RandyRoede
It seems a bit odd that there are two closed reed distress calls in the online store, one for $50 and one for $60 when we are so concerned about this issue.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:27 am
by Coyotehunter
I have not sold a single one since I put them in the store. You seem interested though, would you like to buy one big spender.
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:29 am
by RandyRoede
LOL
Re: Les Johnson Calls
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:48 pm
by EO caller
I have Les's show tivo'd . I think its overacted and over produced. BUT. He has the only show on T.V. that is just calling predators. The locations are cool, his products are interesting and he does make some great shots. I'm sure he is a great guy to be around, he seems humble enough onTV. Just a little sponsor driven.