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Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:03 pm
by Dcoy
Lots of interesting stuff here.Let me ask this,how are you guys getting accurate readings on moving(or hell,sleeping)coyotes at those ranges?What if its flat country?Or snow?Using a rest for the finder?
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:11 am
by bucksnbears
the readings i said were from friends lasering me from when i picked up the animal from where i shot from. i to have shot a couple in the 800 yard range but was'nt gonna tell ya

this was when i shot a 25-06. i loved that gun.shot a sleeping red at exactally 1/2 mile. (really). wood fence post in the dead center of a square section. fox had a den there. after a few blown stalks he caught on to me and knew the sound of my truck. got to the point if i stopped he dive down. took a friends truck one day and stopped. looked through the spotting scope and he was lying there staring at me. i said piss on it and leand over the hood put the crosshairs way over and shot. he got center punched. lot of hoot n hollering between us.this was with a .243. but still, know skill on my part. just know your not gonna get them if you don't shoot. i'm sure everyone on this site that has hunted allot have also made some great(lucky) shots. but how in the hell can i miss a fox coming out of a culvert 3 times with a 12 guage

.(and more than once)
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:56 am
by LeviM
My peronal thoughts, if you got the right equipment, and Practice, practice, practice. to get to know your equipment it can become more of a comfortable shot.
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:08 am
by lyonch
All this talk about 700 and 800 yard shots and killing the damn things is mind boggling. I had a coyote last year that came in from behind me and knocked my damn rifle over and of course i missed

. I could have literally reached out and grabbed that bastard by the ears if i was paying attention

I have taken some long shots on coyotes in the past and have come close but thats it. I have learned from others that if you can't get him to come closer than 300 yards than you need to re asses your set up. If you are on location that coyote will be all over you and more than likely come within shotgun range if you play your cards right. Like Randy Roede mentioned before "you are only as good as the last coyote you killed" there is a lot of truth to that statement. I would rather let a 500 yard shot at a coyote walk away only to let me reset up on him the next day.
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:42 am
by Pilgrim
I recently went through a tactical pistol class that sort of introduced me to the concept of 3gun and long range tactical rifle competition. Please don't think I 'm implying that I know beans about much of it, plus way too prohibitive (on all counts) for my life but interesting.
The long range tactical competitions require that the shooter must move from station to station over a multi-mile course within a time limit, say cover 1.5 mi in 60 minutes at varying elevations, mountain winds... Shooters are constantly moving between targets, carrying backpacks & rifles...and are shooting at 1MOA steel targets from 100 to 1350 yards- the better do it with authority. The guy I know usually wins with a good margin. He also hunts quite a bit, lives on a ranch... A 3 sq foot coyote at 500 yards with that sort of practical talent and discipline?
Anyway, seems to me that gearing up to be a ringer at the 500+ coyote shooting thing requires quite a commitment. Lots of ammo, space needed, optics with multi-adjustments, practice, windage, elevation, range data, money... Here's the rub: How does a guy calculate all the essential variables without factoring the bullet's ballistic coefficient?
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:24 pm
by coyotelatrans
I use a Leica rang finder it will do well out to about 750 with both elbows on the ground accuracy is good, past that it is tough and I wouldn't rely on it or would I try a shot really past 650. AS you extend range what you do on your end keeps magnafying itself the further out you shoot. Alot of practice. I have shot big game at 550+ and I enjoy the LD shooting and it helps be it an antelope or a coyote. AS long as the bullet lands where your aiming that is the key and you know your on track. Jack Rabbitts are great practice and if they are past 350 or so I shoot at them ,if your cracking jacks at those distances and further your technique and juding abilitys are getting better and better.
You have to put in the time shooting at those ranges otherwise it makes it tough for sure, some guys say boy this thing is dead on at 100 and never shoot past 300 and then wonder why the handful of 400-600 yard shots they have tried come up empty? You have to know what that load will do at extended ranges and know the "true" drop and wind effects have. Bullet BC is a good judge and you can work up a profile and you need the Bullet BC in order to do so, but you still need to shoot at those ranges to make sure they are really on or not and some minor changes maybe needed.
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:02 pm
by Tim Anderson
lyonch LOL's..
Here at home we are hunting them so if i see one less than a half mile its gonna get it.. As for distance judgeing most of the sections here are a mile square with a fence line devideing the land into quarters. When a coyote is spotted you can take a quick look at where the coyote is from the fence line and you can also use power poles for judgeing distance if you don't have time to use a range finder.. Most people don't relize that a 4,5, and 600 yds shot is'nt that complacated unless you have a very heavey wind, its after 700 yds that it gets more difficult..
Now if i was out calling coyotes somewhere else other than here i would pass on a long shot and just move around and try calling again or come back at a later date like Lyonch mentioned..
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:33 pm
by Prairie Ghost
You can buy equipment to help with bullet drop. I had a custom made target turret from leupold made for my 22-6 and have done SOME practicing with it. Not near as much as i should have but that's life and you really can't ever practive enough in my mind. And there is always the rest of the fall and next summer. I shoot at 10"x12" gongs set up in a pasture and have really started to get comfortable with 550 and below IF the wind isn't too bad.
Wind however takes knowledge and LOTS of time in the field. like i said if i get a range i can dial it in but i still need to know where to hold for the wind!
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:34 am
by Tbush
Dcoy, I,ve got a customer who just ordered a gun from the guy who builds the guns for the guys on tv "the best of the west" he said 1000 yd gun, they shoot it and dail it in using their loads , comes with ammo, 3-4 cal.,scope is set up with yards on the turrits? no counting when you turn them and I beleive windage is mph also, 6-9 months and $6000.00 he has one ordered,Hes getting his dog next week from me and I'll get the web site for ya, would that be like.." BANG"----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------FLOP

Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:47 am
by RandyRoede
TBush LOL!!!!
It's easier to learn to call them close than shoot them far, and far less costly!!
IMO opinion 500 to 1000 yards to most people should be shots on paper.
Rethink, and rehunt those coyotes, unless your in the Classic then ya got to try it!!!!!

Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:26 pm
by LeviM
RandyRoede wrote:TBush LOL!!!!
It's easier to learn to call them close than shoot them far, and far less costly!!
IMO opinion 500 to 1000 yards to most people should be shots on paper.
Rethink, and rehunt those coyotes, unless your in the Classic then ya got to try it!!!!!

Very True Randy!
If you arent comfortable with the shot, rethink and rehunt, (I like that quote) Why educate the coyote you are after with hope and poke shots. Rethink and Rehunt!
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:36 pm
by Coyotehunter
Those 500 yard + shots are so rare. That is a lot of money.
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:43 pm
by Dcoy
Amen.
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:02 pm
by Optimax90
Ok, Rethink-Rehunt those coyotes!! So how many times will you go back into the same area and rehunt those same coyotes??
I got a spot that is loaded with coyotes, I mean it is not uncommon to see seven-nine in a stand. but those damn things are so call shy ( I think cause its close to a town) I consistantly get them within 350-500yrds. Have not been taking very many shoots because, why smart-em up.
Now I have a new Leica rangefinder, I feel pretty confident in making a 400yrd shoot ( been shooting alot this summer @ 350-500)
But there has been more times than not, I walk away from those shots. with the idea of coming back and getting them closer. but how many times can you go to the well be for they get "call shy"
And then the other hand of you make a stand in an area, come up empty, no visualls no nothing. I know there are yotes there ( howling @ night , and taking to the ranchers) How many times can you keep going into an area?? My buddie likes hunting "new coyotes" but whats new to me, might be someone elses call shy yotes!! And how long do you wait before going back into an area you called or killed a yote??
Re: LR coyotes
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:03 pm
by Tim Anderson
When Randy hunted with me we went back after some on the same day and when i hunted alone i came back on a few the same day or early the next..